Tuesday, September 13, 2005

Draw for the fork

Pitchfork column number 5. And what?

18 comments:

GTTRBRKZ said...

essential reading, as ever!

dubway said...
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dubway said...

"essential reading, as ever!"

i just wanted to post this comment :)

dubway said...

i think it's really important that someone who knows and knows how to say it, and has guts to say it(!), writes about this "young" scene.

i always find my thoughts, but much better said, in this column.

thank you

Blackdown said...

safe gutta and dubway.

DJL said...

Balls of steel

LIONESS said...

Big up, even though you called me Nandi

csa said...

Sure there are other DJs in the U.S. who play dubstep releases, but if the brutal truth be told, if you're not playing new music, you're not truly contributing.

worst statement ever. PERIOD. not only is it the worst but also incorrect. Email me-let's debate.

Blackdown said...

craig. sorry bro but i stand by that comment and it is not incorrect.

throughout the history of the scene, anyone who has ever pushed the dubstep scene forward has played new music, not released 12"s.

now maybe there's a point to be made about djing playing released dubstep vinyl to overseas crowds, breaking the scene in new places. to those crowds released vinyl is new music.

but in terms of the scene's core in the UK, no one pushing things forward plays released dubstep.

dubway said...

brutal painful(for me) TRUTH

i believe i can tell this from first hand (as i am "overseas" dj "playing released dubstep")

LethalFizzle said...

good column but did you have to end on such an ominous note? i know it makes grime look really dramatic and intense for readers, but if 'the war' hasnt spilled out onto the streets already, chances are it wont now.

DOT:ALT Magazine said...

i see what you mean about released 12's Vs dubs, but you don't need to be too hardline about it. when someone spins Request Line at FWD>> i'm sure you don't leave the floor in disgust, shaking your head like 'man, this shit is OLD'. course not! hands in the air then ready for some new stuff after that.

-dan

Logos said...

Martin you are basically right. Anyone who remembers the garage scene from pre-2000 knows that it had a party culture, but no dubplate culture, which was one of the reasons the scene died musically. You got basically identical sets of released bangers from the top 10 2-step DJs at garage raves and on cds.

Post-garage, people had to build their own dubplate culure from scratch, thats what has kept the music moving forward. Maybe that has to be adjusted slightly because of how the music is speading across the world, but a healthy dubplate culture is what keeps a scene like this moving. There are risks too, as seen in drum and bass, but its integral to musical progrssion that the DJs try to out-do each other, just like at the old Blue Note sessions at Metalheadz.

Blackdown said...

@lethalfizzle. i think you miss my point. a high profile arms incident in a west london club killed 2step's media and industry image. given all grime mcs want is a major label deal, i'm just concerned the same could happen again

@dan dot.alt. i'd never leave the floor to Request Line but if one of the top DJs started playing an hour of released dubstep at FWD, most of the room would turn up their noses, simply because they'd all be capable of doing the same. you gotta bring the fresh sh*t to impress!

@logos. MDZ@Blue Note was an inspiration to any of us who were there - and many of FWD's founders were. El-B put the darkness into UK garage in 1998-99 after attending Blue Note!

ps MDZ... DMZ ... two great legacies. uncanny.

Darren said...

if their are rules then I would break em- cut no plate for you to spin homemade MP3 right out of my hardrive past out to who ever is calling and free to boot... without lables without governors whatever style just roll one- your platters make me ill and not the kind ill you are thinking.

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